This post is a direct reaction, a response of sorts to the entry today in Robert Green’s blog – his first entry since being convicted of Breach of The Peace... So in part I will address my remarks directly to him, on this public platform for the record.
Robert’s blog entry is here for those who have thus far missed it...
http://holliedemandsjustice-robertgreensblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/justice.html
...Quotes in yellow are from it.
...”Sheriff Principal Bowen`s personal decision to convict me on a Breach of the Peace charge.”
Aside from the horrific suffering she experienced at the hands of her abusers, the thing that has done Hollie most damage is ‘spin’ and dishonesty... From both sides! The thing with ‘wrongs’ is; no matter how many of them you stack up, they never amount to a single ‘right’. – The truth is often inconvenient.
“Personal decision” ...Seriously? You call yourself (among other things) a ‘Lay Legal Adviser’ - Did you make absolutely no effort to try and understand the mechanism into which you had been thrown? Do you not understand the precarious position you are still in? – Or are you actually trying to ‘get yourself hung’ in order to play the Martyr... Time you grew up mate! There just aren’t ‘bogey men’ around every corner!
Robert – face the facts - you were convicted via a summary process. That is by definition a mechanistic process, and if you had presented anything which placed a reasonable doubt over the veracity of the claim that what you did caused alarm and distress to members of the general population then you simply could not have been found guilty. – It really is just as simple as that.
Your trial, as you very well know was never going to be about Hollie Greig or her allegations. It was never going to be about whether you were justified in your actions, or whether you were being targeted for speaking out. Breach of the Peace Robert - did you scare people?
And on the evidence that was presented, set against your so-called ‘defence’, your own Mother, sitting as Sheriff and doing the job as they must, would have been obliged to stop the trial when they did and convict you!
I don’t say your conviction is right or just... But you were fed into the mincer; don’t blame the blades for inevitably whirling round regardless and automatically cutting you to shreds. Especially since instead of trying to climb out all you did was tilt at the people who had thrown you in there!
- These people know the system; and you were never ever going to drag them in with you! – Only a complete bloody idiot would think otherwise! What did you ever imagine you were going to achieve?
I stress again that summary process is essentially mechanistic in nature; if that mechanism has not worked properly then anyone with the appropriate level of knowledge should be able to highlight the flaws in the verdict; you have a right and opportunity to challenge the decision. And if you feel an injustice has been done I urge you, in the strongest possible terms to do exactly that.
Have a legal expert go over the trial records Robert – you lost numerous highly credible professionals of the utmost integrity from your defence team because you simply would not take their advice and left them with absolutely nothing to work with.
Personal feelings? – the scope for personal judgement for or against you Robert is yet to come into play; you face sentencing on February 17th, and for the sake of your family and friends who need you around would do well to remember that – Any ire Sheriff Bowen might have is yet to be expressed...
I hope for your sake Robert that Sheriff Bowen is a religious man and is familiar with Luke 23:34!
“I have no doubt that my prospects of a successful defence were impaired unacceptably by the Sheriff`s decision to deny me the testimonies under oath of two key defence witness who had both been formally cited, Procurator Fiscal Stephen McGowan and former Lord Advocate Elish Angiolini.”
Then Sir you are seriously deluded and/or misinformed... The solitary issue addressed in your trial was whether or not you Breached the peace. Nothing more nothing less and you acknowledged this at the beginning of the trial. What is about that you do not understand or are (possibly) trying to obfuscate?
Again I stress; I do not say that the action against you was justified – quite the reverse – but you were brought to court on one issue and convicted because instead of addressing that issue you attempted to use the court as a platform to pursue another agenda – that was simply never going to be allowed to happen.
Regular readers will recall that some considerable time ago I made the point that had Sheriff Buchanan et al brought you to court in a Civil defamation action you would have had the opportunity to bring much of the evidence surrounding the Hollie Greig case into court records.
– I would have expected you to defend such a case with Veritas Robert; and I have formed the opinion that certain individuals have something to fear from that happening. However there is, as you were doubtless told many times by your numerous legal advisors, no defence of either veritas or (in most circumstances) justification against Breach Of the Peace... The nearest we get to justification as a defence is where life, limb or property are in immediate danger...
- Coming back to the point I made all those great many months ago Robert; do you seriously imagine the high level legal professionals you’ve been crawing about citing wouldn’t know they’d NEVER have to appear at your BOP trial? - Did it not occur to you that this might be part of the reason for them taking that particular route to prosecute you?
As the trial is now over Robert I’m sure the general public would be obliged if you will explain exactly how the testimony of Stephen McGowan and Eilish Angiolini was ever going to help you refute the notion that your actions scared people? - Serious question Robert – not rhetorical...
Never mind all the stuff about how bad and corrupt they are and how they’re all in the Masons and have cauldrons and pointy hats in their garden sheds...
What the hell has Angiolini have to do with a member of the public sitting in a court saying in effect your letter had caused him to fear for the safety of his Grandchildren? What could she possibly have said to contradict that?
Sheriff Bowen had no alternative but to disallow these witnesses. The man is legally obliged to keep trials on track and absolutely relevant to the matters in hand. And again, a little elementary education in the workings of the court would have made this obvious... Again it would not have mattered one jot if Sheriff Bowen had been your best friend and biggest supporter
– Angiolini could never have been allowed to take the stand unless she possibly had something to say about the actual events referred to in the charges... She simply didn’t! - Eilish Angiolini and Stephen McGowan may well be nasty, dishonest corrupt people. They may well have it in for you. They may well have colluded to see you jailed as punishment for crossing them. The thing is though; none of that matters a jot when it comes to the question of whether your actions caused people to fear for the peace and security of their community... Not one jot.
Clearly Robert your agenda with regard to Angiolini was to have her address on record the allegations over her misconduct – What were you thinking? What part of the point you yourself acknowledged - that your trial was about a single issue – did you imagine would not apply in this instance?
The bottom line Robert – and this is FACT not opinion - is that you were convicted of Breach Of the Peace simply because you did absolutely nothing to refute the prosecution’s case against you. Instead of dealing with the matter in hand.
One would have hoped Robert you would have learned something from being duped by Greg Lance-Watkins. One would have hoped you’d have picked up the book I recommended, read it, and worked out for yourself why he endorsed and lead you down directions that placed you in conflict with the law...
In my opinion you were prosecuted on this BOP charge precisely because it was a way of criminalising and discrediting you yet at the same time ensuring that what you wanted to come out in court could not possibly do so...
In that respect it was a battle that could not be won – it would have been better to admit the BOP – recognise the error of naming names – regroup, re-strategise, and take the whole Hollie Greig campaign down more credible and coherent routes that would not have lead to the ‘car crash’ the case has become...
As it stands the Hollie Greig case remains unreportable. Your trial Robert, received no press attention because your ‘tack’, despite all the showboating, was completely and utterly ludicrous. Your conviction was inevitable on the evidence – and you made no cogent counter to it...
Where is Hollie Greig now Robert? Where is Anne? Do you really have free unfettered access to them? Are you sure they're safe and secure where they are? Not likely to be exploited? Not likely to get hurt? – questions to which we both know the answers I suspect!
As recently as a few days ago there was a piece almost ready to go to press in the mainstream about your case. It was thwarted because one of your idiot supporters started plastering names and allegations over the internet again... Not the first time that has happened either! It’s almost as if some of these people don’t want Hollie’s case to receive mainstream attention; it would spoil their little ‘conspiracy theory’ games...
IS the agenda here REALLY justice for Hollie Greig? Or are we to shortly expect a film a book a DVD and a lecture tour all accessible at an inflated price from some conspiracy theory website?
- Hollie Greig has many supporters in the mainstream press; almost all have given up hope of ever being able to break the story - And these conspiracy theory antics are ENTIRELY to blame for that! As I say - Take a telling Robert!